bump stops

[wils]

i have some new ones since my stockers are gone. the new ones came with this aluminium spacer thas about 1.5-2 inches thick. do I need these spacers?thanks

[My84Z]

Who uses bump stops? Lol i cut mine off when i put my 17x11's on but from what i remember no u do not use the spacers

[black heartbeat]

you don't need spacers but if you were to replace them, rather than use stock rubber that rots away I'd use some of the poly replacement stops I think spohn makes one

[wils]

i have poly ones and I dont think i will use the spacers thanks

[ILuvPizzaTimes10]

if you have 17 inch or bigger wheels in 275 or wider tread you should run them with the spacers. this way the tires wont hit the inside slope of the wheel wells.

[wils]

hmm yes i do have 274/40/17

[My84Z]

Throw them away lol

[KLAB]

if you have 17 inch or bigger wheels in 275 or wider tread you should run them with the spacers. this way the tires wont hit the inside slope of the wheel wells.

No rub on my 275/40-R17's :gayfight:

[Formula413]

It's 275/40-17, and it's the stock tire size on SS's and WS6's, so why would it cause a rubbing issue?

[black heartbeat]

^^ I agree, I have them on the TA (ws6) and didn't have spacers on it, never had a rubbing issue.

[941LE]

my 17x11s didnt rub with stock springs. only with the lowering springs and it wasnt on the inside where they rubbed. Fenders had to be rolled.

[ILuvPizzaTimes10]

funny how the WS6 cars came factory with a taller bump stop FOR that reason... gues im wrong.... You Need The Stops unless you feel like hitting your wheel wells with the inside edge of the tire.

[KLAB]

funny how the WS6 cars came factory with a taller bump stop FOR that reason... gues im wrong.... You Need The Stops unless you feel like hitting your wheel wells with the inside edge of the tire.

Do you mean the spacers that extend the bumpstops down longer???? Making the rear axle be stopped/bottomed out earlier than without? Because that makes sense. I guess that applies for launches or hitting bumps when your suspension is squatted in the back the inside top of the tire would probably rub. I thought you meant something like the tire hits the bumpstop just driving around I'm like naw mine don't rub.

[black heartbeat]

funny how the WS6 cars came factory with a taller bump stop FOR that reason... gues im wrong.... You Need The Stops unless you feel like hitting your wheel wells with the inside edge of the tire.

Waddyaknow! I just compared the v6 and the ws6, the ws6 bump stops have a little plastic spacer on them.

[Formula413]

Hmmm...I've been running WS6 wheels and 275 tires for a few years now and no rubbing. I know a 275 Nitto DR is a little bit narrower than most 275s, but it doesn't seem like it's even close to rubbing anywhere.

[ILuvPizzaTimes10]

you wrong alex. just deal. haha they rub its A FACT.

[Formula413]

My DRs are sitting in the basement right now, you want pictures?

[ILuvPizzaTimes10]

nitto is like running a 265 if not even a bit skinnier. a true goodyear or bfgood 275 or bigger hits the inside of the wheel well Just slightly over big bottom out bumps. since you drive your car like grampa you wouldnt have really bottomed it out enough to scuff the tire. but i bet you take a good look at your under coating and its rubbed.

[Formula413]

nitto is like running a 265 if not even a bit skinnier.
I know a 275 Nitto DR is a little bit narrower than most 275s
Thanks for playing.

since you drive your car like grampa you wouldnt have really bottomed it out enough to scuff the tire.

This is just ignorance on your part, because you don't ride with me so you aren't aware that the car sees WOT and cornering to the limits of tire adhesion every time I drive it. It's one thing to be convinced that you know everything when it comes to hypotheticals, but another altogether to argue against actual facts.

[Formula413]

Pics of inside of tire, run (and run HARD) on car with stock Formula bumpstops for two years

http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t95/atd413/Tire/

[ILuvPizzaTimes10]

wow you need to take a joke. panties need some unwinding??? and its the top of the tire that hits the wheel well NOT the inside.

[Formula413]

And that doesn't hit either, so long story short you are not always right.

[Formula413]

And FYI 275/40-17 tires are not taller than 245/50-16 tires, just wider, so any rubbing would be on the sides and not the top.

[ILuvPizzaTimes10]

That would be true if the wheel well was not curved wich it in fact is. So a wider tire will hit the curve of the wheel well on top Not the side. I still don't know why your debating a fact. I have skyjacker spreings in my car for christ sake and they rub slightly. I'm not saying its going to cause serious damage. But if you have bump stop spacers why would you not use them?? All ws6s came with spacers and 98 up ss' did as well. Why? You need them. End of story unless you feel like hitting your wheel well with a tire. Will it Fuck your car up. Probably not. But if you can stop it wouldn't you??

[My84Z]

you 2 stop disagreeing or we will lock the thread!!!!



btw Pizza is right gasp I can't believe I just said that. However I have no bumpstops and I can count my tire rubbing maybe once in years.

[Formula413]

I'm sure GM used different bump stops for a reason, but the fact is that my tires do not rub. Maybe they would if it was a different brand of 275 tire, but these do not.

[My84Z]

You wouldn't notice if they did rub unless it was really bad

[Formula413]

I've been in a car with tires that rub, there is definitely no mistaking it. I will check my wheel wells when I put the DRs back on, but I guarantee there is nothing up there but road grime and VHT.

[My84Z]

A rear tire is only gonna rub on a hard bump or a launch so between the bang of the bump or the tires screeching exhaust etc you won't notice it and unless it happens alot you won't see it much either.

[ILuvPizzaTimes10]

THANK YOU! thyts my point. it may not happen OFTEN or be that Bad But nun the less it does happen!

[black heartbeat]

I've never had tires rub :-P just saying!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KLAB]

See my post assholes you just ignored it!!!

[black heartbeat]

See my post assholes you just ignored it!!!

What?? Sorry I wasn't listening:sFun_IthinkImgoing:

[KLAB]

I hate you

[black heartbeat]

I don't care!

[Formula413]

Do you mean the spacers that extend the bumpstops down longer???? Making the rear axle be stopped/bottomed out earlier than without?

Yes, that is what the spacer does.

[KLAB]

interesting interesting. I looked earlier and my undercoating looks like smooth right where the tire would hit. Myth confirmed. But its not bad enough, I'll get some spacers though but my tires are barely scuffed.

[Formula413]

Or just get some Nitto DRs, works for me! LOL Suprising such a small change in width makes a difference but I don't know how else to explain it.

[My84Z]

Ecause nitto dr's are 25.5 inches tall where as a 275 45 is 26"

[irockidz28]

so there you go .5" difference

[Formula413]

I thought it was the width, not height, that was smaller on the Nittos? I know my speedo is accurate, if they were that much shorter it should read a little high.

[ILuvPizzaTimes10]

.5" on the outside diam wont make shit bit of difference. fuck run your tires at 55 psi then run em at 15 psi. the effective diameter changes and the speedo is still DAMN close.

either way Wils after ALL this debate. if you have the spacers Use Them!!! if you didnt have them i wouldnt say go out of your way to get some.

[KLAB]

Or just get some Nitto DRs, works for me! LOL Suprising such a small change in width makes a difference but I don't know how else to explain it.

I don't want DR's lol

[My84Z]

Nitto's website tells you the diameter if you wanna check

[Formula413]

Yes you do, you just don't know it yet. ;) Once you try them you will never go back.

[wils]

they are installed with the spacers did it last weekend

[KLAB]

Yes you do, you just don't know it yet. ;) Once you try them you will never go back.

No lol. Not for daily use at least. I'm going to get some DR's tho and put them on a pair of salad shooters for the track but for my street wheels I want all 4 matching tires and size.

[Formula413]

I daily drive on them cause I want good traction all the time. I'd rather have purpose driven tires than matching tires that don't perform as well. Remember 'vettes don't have four matching tires. ;)

[My84Z]

I daily drive on them cause I want good traction all the time. I'd rather have purpose driven tires than matching tires that don't perform as well. Remember 'vettes don't have four matching tires. ;)

some people don't like the fact dr's kick rocks dirt etc and rip up the paint. and as for traction unless yout heat up a dr they are actually less sticky then a good street tire. different size tires well that has more to do with suspension and how the car is set up then wether you want same or different size. Either way it's all the same shit though. just what you want out of it.

[Formula413]

They do kick up a little more road debris, but as for traction it is night and day compared to street tires, even cold. When I say "cold" I don't mean like when it's 30 degrees out, but normal Spring/Summer weather they are light years better than street tires without doing anything to heat them up. I can stomp on it from a dig or a roll at any speed in any gear and they rarely if ever break loose. With street tires the car would go sideways on the 1-2 shift under 50% throttle. I think Nitto DRs are an exception when it comes to needing heat to have good traction. I really think of them more as extreme performance street tires as opposed to ET Streets which are more like street legal drag tires. They might work better when they're hot, but even at ambient temperature they are a huge improvement.

[My84Z]

Well i gotta disagree so don't lock the thread. I have had alot of tires through my 5 fbodies and only dr i havn't tried is the mt's however nitto's are te worst when cold compared to them all. A good street tire like a michelin or goodyear etc are just as good as a nitto dr not warmed up. The bf or mickeys are only slightly better without them being warm. Next meet feel the nitto's when all the cars are parked then feel a good street tire you will notice a difference.

[Formula413]

All I can say is I've had three tires on the back of my car: Nitto DRs, Nitto 555s and Mastercraft Avenger HPs. On a scale of 1-10 for traction on dry pavement at ~70 degrees I would rate them Nitto DRs - 9, Nitto 555s - 5 and Avenger HPs - 4. This is based on my experience with my car, normal (aggressive) street driving, never heating the tire before use. Maybe other people have had a different experience but I love them, it is one of the best things I have done for the car.

[bottledbird68]

The mickeys don't need to be heated either.
I went from a regular 275/60/15 on the back of the 68 to a 275/60/15 et street radial and nearly shit myself. Never knew how fast the car really was until I put the mickeys on. Never once heated them but I could actually put the power down where anything over half throttle with regular tires in first or second gear was hazing the tires :)

[KLAB]

what about driving in rain? I drive mine in the rain and I'm not a fan of hydroplaning my rear wheels on the highway lol

[ILuvPizzaTimes10]

i have had more tires on the back of my ca and to date the best ALL Around tire has been the Shittos. no they dont hook cold. and no they arent the BEST at the track! But they are a Great around town in the rain and snow no issue tire.

[bottledbird68]

what about driving in rain? I drive mine in the rain and I'm not a fan of hydroplaning my rear wheels on the highway lol

Tough call. I had 600 horse, drag radials, and no defogger, so the car stayed park in wet weather lol.

I know my old bfg drag radials kinda sucked in the wet and the mt's have even less tread so I wouldn't imagine they'd be all that great in the wet either.

Basically if you want good all around drag radials from what I've heard go for the nitto's. If you want AWESOME traction, get the mt's. If you want to split the difference go for the bfg's.

[Formula413]

Nitto DRs drive fine in the rain, no noticeable difference from regular street tires. They really are the best of both worlds. The traction is addictive. I have my 16s with regular street tires on the car right now and I almost can't even enjoy driving it. You have to experience the difference to appreciate it.

[ILuvPizzaTimes10]

See I have never really felt a traction bonus from drs over streets with out heating them up.

[My84Z]

That and less air pressure. Also dr's definately not as affective in the rain since smaller tread depth and water disapation. I agree best overall but they are no wonder tire

[Formula413]

See I have never really felt a traction bonus from drs over streets with out heating them up.

Maybe it's a power thing. With ~400 ft/lbs at the wheels a Nitto DR might not really work any better than a street tire. But on my car with 280 rwtq it's just right.

As for the rain, they do have shallower tread, and less grooves. I expected some loss in wet traction but that hasn't really been the case. I drive with the TCS on when the roads are wet and it never kicks on driving normally, it still takes a decent amount of power to get them loose.

Obviously different people have different results with these tires, I guess it depends heavily on the car and what your expectations are.

[KLAB]

hmm. maybe I will go with Nittos for the rears when I need new tires.

http://www.z06vette.com/forums/attachments/f17/2748d1259419821-18-x-12-wheels-w-drag-radials-pict1549.jpg

I don't have TCS so thats why I'm figuring the drag radials would be an issur, but this tread pattern looks like it can handle water decently...

[ILuvPizzaTimes10]

you're a tool

[Formula413]

you're a tool

BAAAAAA!!!!!!