Anyone familiar with HIDs?

[Formula413]

I would like to put HID headlights in my car and I've been doing some research. I know that I need bulbs, ballasts and new housings made to work with HID bulbs. I found a couple of kits on eBay:

Firebird HID kit 1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/77-97-Firebird-Chrome-Projector-Headlights-HID-Kit-82_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5d2728229aQQitemZ400 088900250QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAcces sories#ht_2421wt_1019)

Firebird HID kit 2 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/77-82-92-97-Firebird-Bk-Projector-Headlights-4x6-HID_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2c51f6addcQQitemZ19 0353681884QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAcce ssories#ht_2254wt_754)

Anyone know anything about these? Do these do high and low beams? Are they legal?

[ls6monte]

I don't know much about them but technically with the new inspection system you are not legally able to install HID's in any car that did not come from the factory with them. You can get a ticket for having them in your vehicle. Just my .02!

[irockidz28]

i have HIDs in my dd and i know a few people with them and have installed quite a few sets..and i have come to find that once they are on they dont differ much from company to company...what i have found with many companys is getting both head lights to Come on and stay on (one will flicker out and you will have to turn them on and off a couple times) can be a pain in the ass some times..i know your looking for he housings as well but for the HIDs themselves ....the place i have had the best luck with is www.intensehid.com ...free shipping and a warranty ...i know there are other places out there that will have good quality stuff just throwing my own opion out there.
i know 941LE has HIDs in his car im sure he will have some input

[irockidz28]

I don't know much about them but technically with the new inspection system you are not legally able to install HID's in any car that did not come from the factory with them. You can get a ticket for having them in your vehicle. Just my .02!

i have heard that but i justr passed inspection for the second year with mine and i have been pulled over like prolly 4 times and have not had a problem..yet

[ls6monte]

It doesn't mean your going to get pulled over, just that the chance is there.

[ILuvPizzaTimes10]

Now as far as HID's go ron is correct BUT the bigger issue with HID's wen gettin inspected is our cars have one bulb for high and low beam. your camaro has to. So you still get that switching while being inspected. both of those sets that you posted will not run high and low beam they will just stay on solid no matter what your dash sez. to do it right you need to get a good set of housings that are 4x6 and an expensive set of HID's. last ones i saw that were really good and did high and low beams were $150. and they worked OK as far as the high low function. im just gunna forgo all of that BS and get the headlight conversion kit for $1000 if i keep this LT1 chassis.

[Formula413]

It doesn't mean your going to get pulled over, just that the chance is there.
I'm not worried about that because I plan to run 4300K bulbs so it won't look blue and draw attention.

Now as far as HID's go ron is correct BUT the bigger issue with HID's wen gettin inspected is our cars have one bulb for high and low beam. your camaro has two. So you still get that switching while being inspected. both of those sets that you posted will not run high and low beam they will just stay on solid no matter what your dash sez. to do it right you need to get a good set of housings that are 4x6 and an expensive set of HID's. last ones i saw that were really good and did high and low beams were $150. and they worked OK as far as the high low function. im just gunna forgo all of that BS and get the headlight conversion kit for $1000 if i keep this LT1 chassis.
Where did you see the kit that had the high/low beam function? That is what I want, I want it to work like stock while being brighter.

[irockidz28]

i forgot that your car only has the one headlight i havnt done any of those but from people i have talked to say that to get a Decent set of the "Bi-Xenon" HIDs your going to spend like $150 like pizza said and you deff want to get top of the line housings i have seen people put them in cheap ones that say they are HID safe and end up melting parts of the housing...not entirely sure how but idk

[oldgregg]

I don't know much about them but technically with the new inspection system you are not legally able to install HID's in any car that did not come from the factory with them. You can get a ticket for having them in your vehicle. Just my .02!I know you do inspections, but the law states:
"Any aftermarket lighting that is not SAE or DOT approved shall be removed."
Those 3 little letters are the key.

[irockidz28]

hey ron, i have heard that HIDs are legal if you put them into projectors? any truth behind that or is it just people talking out of their asses?

[ls6monte]

I don't know that answer Ben.

[black heartbeat]

That sounds like they are talking out their asses to me, I've looked into hids a lot and just so you know, it's pretty hard to get pulled over for them. Because it's so hard for a cop to "prove" that they weren't factory installed and isn't worth their time. Also worst comes to worst, unplug the HIDs, plug the halogens back in and challenge the ticket saying they aren't installed anymore. When you are done, plug the HIDs back in. Also in regards to the housing being safe, if that housing comes with the HIDs, then it should be safe, if it melts, send it back.

[ILuvPizzaTimes10]

yeah but who wants to go threw all that hassel? id rather get the correct shit first. i have to try and find the website again for you alex.

[irockidz28]

i hate redoing shit its such a pain in the ass

[Formula413]

yeah but who wants to go threw all that hassel? id rather get the correct shit first. i have to try and find the website again for you alex.

Tanks!!!

http://www.aandmelectronics.com/images-abtA14/LAND_Type-96_Tanks_lg.jpg

[black heartbeat]

I talked to me friend who is a Massachusetts police officer and asked him about the HIDs and he said they are completely legal as long as they aren't blue and even if they are a tint of blue, 99 percent of the cops out there won't give you a hassel especially considering that anything under 9k looks near white from 20 feet away or so. But there is no law saying you can't change your lighting system

[KLAB]

Not to be an asshole but putting hid's in a sealed beam housing is a bad idea. The light pattern still sucks balls and they just make the shitty lighting turn into stadium. Ihave 2 low beams that I did a conversion with 6000k's in and took them out because they were that bad. I was blinding everyone and after having the same experience being blinded by all the HID'd out civics around here I took them out! Moral of story they barely improve the stock lighting, just makes everything bright white and they blind oncoming drivers. Stock Halogens FTW!!!

[Formula413]

You need housings made for the HID bulbs to get the correct lighting pattern and receive the full benefits of the increased light.

[ILuvPizzaTimes10]

Correct Alex. BUT on the camaros with there smaller headlight sealed beams no on makes a housing for it. those guys are stuck customizing a sealed beam and sticking an HID bulb in it. You have that option Wich i recomend to get HID compliant housings or they will melt if your not driving and there on.

[KLAB]

thats what i just stated mike, i dont recommend sticking amd gluing an hid bulb in the sealessealed beam housing because thats what i did and it sucked!!! i got regular halogens now and they look like they should, for some reason the color of the lights made the front end look awkward at night too, but maybe thats just because i have gloss buckets....

[94Z28rag]

I got the DDM kit for $50 shipped and put HIDs in my Camaro in 15 mins. Cake.

Let me know if anyone wants the link.

[Formula413]

I want HIDs for a Firebird.

[black heartbeat]

ok, here's there only thing that I see as problematic about your hid conversion. You want 4300k which will be ungodly bright. The thing with HIDs is the lower you get in Kelvins the brighter the beam. 4300k will be roughly the same temp as standard halogens only 3x brighter or so, as you get into higher kelvins the intensity of the light goes down but the color becomes more intense. If you want more light I'd recommend just going with an aftermarket halogen, my friend told me about some that have a much higher light output than the standard bulb. Oh and most likely the reason that people have a problem with blinding HIDs is usually because they have 6000k or lower in their housing, which means a fuckload of light. Although I've seen people with 5000k HIDs that they don't have that problem with I wouldn't generally recommend getting anything lower than 8000k unless are willing to return them because you blind all incoming drivers, but nothing higher than 10000k unless you are a ricer and gay. The whole subject of HIDs is very touchy, you really don't know what you are going to get until you have it. I'm sure I'm going to be called out on a million points in the post, HIDs just aren't a consistent subject, everything differs. I've seen it go wonderfully and I've seen if go to hell. Kit's differ from one another, headlights differ from one another, you just know know until you have it. Just be prepared to return in need be. I'll look around for those halogens for you and see if I can find anyone with that kit you are looking at

[irockidz28]

the place where i get recomend 5000k-8000k for brightest lighting...and yes they can be bright and blinding...but if you aim them right you shouldnt be blinding other people

[84ta406]

Hey alex I have a set of projector housings here that were used for foglights if you want em.. free. Maybe just drive with your fogs on all the time? I know lots of people that do.

[black heartbeat]

hear are some options for running high performance halogens, scroll down and read the blue lettering
http://tl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=520140

[irockidz28]

Hey alex I have a set of projector housings here that were used for foglights if you want em.. free. Maybe just drive with your fogs on all the time? I know lots of people that do.

i have been pulled over for that lol i guess its illegal

[ILuvPizzaTimes10]

hear are some options for running high performance halogens, scroll down and read the blue lettering
http://tl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=520140



Thats a DAMN good read!!!

[Formula413]

If you want more light I'd recommend just going with an aftermarket halogen, my friend told me about some that have a much higher light output than the standard bulb.
I already have the Silverstar headlights, which as far as I know are the best halogens available, and they still suck. I will check that link later.

Hey alex I have a set of projector housings here that were used for foglights if you want em.. free. Maybe just drive with your fogs on all the time? I know lots of people that do.

i have been pulled over for that lol i guess its illegal

It is illegal to use foglights except in inclement weather, however I have considered that since it would be much easier than converting my headlights.

[ILuvPizzaTimes10]

yeah i have the switch tucked inside the dash im usuing a V6 firebird bezel without the hole for the switch and just leave them on. ive never had trouble with it.

[84ta406]

My buddy has had his wired in with his headlights for 4 years now never had a problem. Didnt know it was illegal hmm.

Have you thought about upgrading to a better bulb? Dont know if yours are sealed beams i think they are though.

[irockidz28]

My buddy has had his wired in with his headlights for 4 years now never had a problem. Didnt know it was illegal hmm.

Have you thought about upgrading to a better bulb? Dont know if yours are sealed beams i think they are though.

he says he already has the silverstars in them...which are brighter but not a huge improvement

[oldgregg]

the place where i get recomend 5000k-8000k for brightest lighting...and yes they can be bright and blinding...but if you aim them right you shouldnt be blinding other peopleHUH??
4700K is the max before white goes into the blue spectrum range, where the light may appear brighter, but actaully dispereses more.
Nope.
It is illegal to use foglights except in inclement weather,WHAT??
That is so wrong as there are cars, my wifes 96 Sebring vert comes to mind, that the fogs come on with the headlights.
It is supposed to be illegal to have have fogs on with high beams though which is why they shut off when high beams are switched on.Thats a DAMN good read!!!If you think that's a good read, go here (http://www.danielsternlighting.com/home.html).

[84ta406]

he says he already has the silverstars in them...which are brighter but not a huge improvement

I meant going from say a 9006 to a 9007 type bulb. It's not that hard to convert and the light output is much better.

[KLAB]

Technically, it is illegal to use foglights in non inclimate weather (in mass at least). My buddy had 4k?, or lower BRIGHT yellow hid fogs in his civic and he got a ticket for just that one night sitting in a parking lot with a big group of hondas getting ready to do some serious vtakking. Sooo apparently you can get a ticket for it because it is in "the rule book," but it can be easily fought and won like he did the week after. Cops in my area hate hondas and its hilarious. Speaking of aftermarket fog lights, I was thinking about putting Hella 90mm projectors in my fog light openings, ditch the stockers and pop my mercedes D2S 6k bulbs in them, but I'm not sure if it will look good, or completely kill the look of the LT1 frontend? I would be able to see like 80% better at night tho with just those for fogs lol.

[KLAB]

Hey 84ta406, what kind of projector housings are those you are talking about? like i said in my last post only thing stopping me from spending 100 bucks on hella projector housings is i dont wanna but them and be disappointed if it looks ugly. if alex dont want em ill take them :D

and ps again not being an ass but it is impossible to adjust the lights so that they arent blinding oncoming drivers there is just no way around it it is the design of the stupid sealed beams =( unless you point them like straight down into the bumper lol then you are just using the indirect lighting from that reflecting off the bumper to see down the road, which still is prob better than stock hahaha

[84ta406]

The ones I have are Hella projectors. They have the adjusting plates with them. I'll grab a pic for ya.

[KLAB]

DAMN! I would definitely take them if Alex doesn't want them, he got the first offer!!! PM me the deets!

[Formula413]

Will those fit in the factory foglight openings on a 93-97 Formula? If so I'd like to try them out.

[84ta406]

I have no clue! I got them as a kit for my bird because i was gonna retro fit them but then i realized 82-84 birds dont have foglights!

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u12/84stroker/IMG_0330.jpg

[ILuvPizzaTimes10]

but they deffinetly used to have a licence plate bracket!!! i fuckin hate how you have to have them and it just scars an already rare nose forever!!

[84ta406]

but they deffinetly used to have a licence plate bracket!!! i fuckin hate how you have to have them and it just scars an already rare nose forever!!

Holes are getting filled once I do the bumper done over and the police are getting told to pound sand. That bumper is only available in 83 pace cars and select 84's.. dont want to deprecate the value of the car :) lol

[KLAB]

Alex here are the dimensions:

Product Dimensions: 4.1 x 3.6 x 3.6 inches ; 2 pounds

They are pretty deep and not sure if they would fit in your foglight openings...

:D

[KLAB]

Holes are getting filled once I do the bumper done over and the police are getting told to pound sand. That bumper is only available in 83 pace cars and select 84's.. dont want to deprecate the value of the car :) lol

Just tell them it got ripped off in the carwash, thats what I always say!!

[ILuvPizzaTimes10]

yeah i keep mine still on the bracket in the back seat like it JUST happened!!!

[Formula413]

yeah i keep mine still on the bracket in the back seat like it JUST happened!!!

+1

I was thinking I should try and grind some dead bugs into it just to make it look like it was actually on there at some point.

[ILuvPizzaTimes10]

Bahaha good pointttt never thought of that. haha my plate still looks like its brand new.

[irockidz28]

haha mine is in that plastic bag thing that you get the plates in from the rmv...in my tool box...

[black heartbeat]

lol I can't get away with that, Mashpee Police are brutal and they will pull you over for anything they want and will fuck you up the ass for it too.

[ILuvPizzaTimes10]

yeah but you like being fucked up the ass?

[KLAB]

bump for intrest in hella headlights... :klab:

[boojum]

Hella 90 mm. I made a bracket that mounts about 3/4" behind the OEM unit. I had to clearance the core support a bit for the low beams. The lights are around $65 each. I have seen people put them on Firebirds. The light pattern is great. They also have HIDs in the same size housing but the halogens are very good.

http://home.comcast.net/~fsck/images/camaro/hella.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~fsck/images/camaro/bracket.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~fsck/images/camaro/bracket1.jpg