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P-E-Z 03-12-2014 12:58 AM

New From Hartford for a sad reason
 
Hi, I lost my 1988 Camaro to arson attack at my condo.

Formula413 03-12-2014 01:34 AM

Damn, that sucks. Any plans to replace it?

P-E-Z 03-12-2014 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Formula413 (Post 85721)
Damn, that sucks. Any plans to replace it?

It depends on what insurence pays..... I am also homeless.


I lost My much loved Camero in this fire.
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/l...248084431.html

Anyone know what fair market on this car with modifications?
in very good condition.


List of parts in 1988 camaro

New GM Goodwrench 305 cubic inch v8
Edelbrock Intake manifold

Edelbrock Exhaust Headers

Edelbrock Cam Shaft

Edelbrock timing chain/gears

Oversized push rods

Trick Flow twisted wedge cylinder heads

Hurst Dual Gate for 700- R4 transmission with walnut shift handle.

3.45 rear gears.

Dynomax cat back exhaust system 2 into 1 into 2 with chrome bowtie

Polygraphite front end bushing

Heavy duty front and rear anti sway bars.

New hi performance springs, shocks and struts front and rear.

5.0 liter High Output dual air induction system

performance computer chip.

New Old Stock 1968 Walnut Wood Steering wheel

Burled walnut Dashboard kit

Viper alarm system.

Creiger SS Wheels 15 inch 60 series

Cooper Cobra Tires

Saddleman car bra.

picture of the car is here

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...psc2f5ec18.jpg

DavidS 03-12-2014 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by P-E-Z (Post 85722)
It depends on what insurence pays..... I am also homeless.


I lost My much loved Camero in this fire.
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/l...248084431.html

Anyone know what fair market on this car with modifications?
in very good condition.

picture of the car is here

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...psc2f5ec18.jpg

That's terrible! Hopefully the cops catch whoever did this.

The news article said "residents have been temporarily displaced". Are you going to be able to get back into your condo?

What was the mileage on the Camaro? I would think the value is dependent on the mileage. If you have receipts, especially on the new engine, that would help. If you don't have receipts, maybe the place you got the engine from could get you a new receipt.

P-E-Z 03-12-2014 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidS (Post 85724)
That's terrible! Hopefully the cops catch whoever did this.

The news article said "residents have been temporarily displaced". Are you going to be able to get back into your condo?

What was the mileage on the Camaro? I would think the value is dependent on the mileage. If you have receipts, especially on the new engine, that would help. If you don't have receipts, maybe the place you got the engine from could get you a new receipt.

I am living in hotel right now and 2 months before I can get back in.. That drive line which was brand new has had 104,000

P-E-Z 03-12-2014 02:41 AM

This car could do 170 mph and corner like it was on rails.

Z28 03-12-2014 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by P-E-Z (Post 85727)
This car could do 170 mph and corner like it was on rails.

Idk about all that haha

DavidS 03-12-2014 02:51 AM

My best guess is that without substantial receipts, the insurance company will offer $4,000 +/- $1,000.

Other guys here know 3rd gens much better than I do so maybe they will have a different opinion though.

frankzlt1 03-12-2014 02:59 AM

sorry to hear what happened. how bad is the car?

My84Z 03-12-2014 03:02 AM

I hope your situation improves and life gets better man. Best of luck to you.

black heartbeat 03-12-2014 02:48 PM

Sorry to hear about your situation, best if luck!

P-E-Z 03-12-2014 03:31 PM

this is what is left http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...psc73cc695.jpg

P-E-Z 03-12-2014 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Z28 (Post 85729)
Idk about all that haha

My frat brother was staff writer at consumer reports. It was tested on a Sunday when they closed on their test equipment in Colchester Ct, its accurate. The engine was designed with the help of former NASCAR driver/car owner who raced at the Riverside Motor Speedway. His car engine was too big for for Stafford or Waterford so stopped racing. He described it as faster greased snot.

My84Z 03-12-2014 06:21 PM

So you are saying your 305 700r4 car went 175 mph? Cause your car is making less then 300 hp especially on that stock computer management a "chip" that is actually a prom can only do so much. My car made 380 rwhp and it was lucky to be in the 160's with a 6 speed and it took awhile to get there. With 3:42 gears and a 700r4 which you would have to do it in d so it would be a 1:1 ratio you would have to be at well over 6500 cause at 6k with a tpi setup you are well out of steam. At 6k with 3:45 gears and 28" tall tires you would roughly be at 142mph

P-E-Z 03-12-2014 07:02 PM

Top speed on the dynamo with pro test driver doing doing it. It was not TPI its carb with dual ram air induction. It had hi pro computer chip in it. You have to remember it did not max in rpms where they normally after market cam. reved higher. The horsepower test at the wheels was 304 hp. Gross hp had to be much higher.

My84Z 03-12-2014 07:25 PM

If it was a carb you wouldn't have a chip in it. The chip is for the fuel injection and timing. Dynamo? I am assuming you mean dynomometer or dyno for short and in which case 305 hp is not alot at all mu stock ls1 did that. Your gearing would not allow 175 mph maybe the screen said that but it just can't happen. I understand that you had a cam and heads but it is a 305 and it is a conventional small block. It won't make much past 6-6500 max and even then doubtful. We are car guys here and understand how things work.

My84Z 03-12-2014 07:25 PM

I don't mean to be negative to you I think you are severely uninformed an either people were looking for money from you or just being extra nice. I am not trying to be a dick i was trying to inform ya but I am not gonna say anymore I wish all the best to you man I hope things work out.

P-E-Z 03-12-2014 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by My84Z (Post 85759)
If it was a carb you wouldn't have a chip in it. The chip is for the fuel injection and timing. Dynamo? I am assuming you mean dynomometer or dyno for short and in which case 305 hp is not alot at all mu stock ls1 did that. Your gearing would not allow 175 mph maybe the screen said that but it just can't happen. I understand that you had a cam and heads but it is a 305 and it is a conventional small block. It won't make much past 6-6500 max and even then doubtful. We are car guys here and understand how things work.

Once I am back in my Condo I scan post the report. I contacted GM Historian 1997 and asked what was highest known speed of 305. I told what got, they said its wasn't possible. Well until I sent copy of the report to them. They where shocked and had an engineer from Chevy call wanted me he wanted a copy test report and all part numbers. Feel free not believe. Btw The cylinder heads not 305 heads the were supposed to be for 350-400 cid only.

84ta406 03-12-2014 10:48 PM

You cant fit anything larger than 2.02/ 1.6 valves in a 305 and thats not nearly enough air to breathe for 175mph. Also to fit those you need atleast a .030 overbore or else the valves would be shrouded. My last engine, my 406ci small block made 550+hp and it still wouldnt go 175mph in my car with a TH400 and 3.50 gearing. The fastest SS/SE 305 is in the 10's which still isnt enough power for 175. Im not gonna say its impossible because Ive seen weirder shit done but I'm calling B.S. on that. Not trying to sound like a dick but theres some pretty damn knowledgeable people on here.

P-E-Z 03-12-2014 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 84ta406 (Post 85771)
You cant fit anything larger than 2.02/ 1.6 valves in a 305 and thats not nearly enough air to breathe for 175mph. Also to fit those you need atleast a .030 overbore or else the valves would be shrouded. My last engine, my 406ci small block made 550+hp and it still wouldnt go 175mph in my car with a TH400 and 3.50 gearing. The fastest SS/SE 305 is in the 10's which still isnt enough power for 175. Im not gonna say its impossible because Ive seen weirder shit done but I'm calling B.S. on that. Not trying to sound like a dick but theres some pretty damn knowledgeable people on here.

these heads on and barely cleared. http://www.trickflow.com/search.asp?...=KeywordSearch said test report once I can move back in my condo.

84ta406 03-12-2014 11:24 PM

Those heads WILL NOT fit on a 305 bore. EVER. And honestly unless you spun the thing to 9000 rpm it wouldnt make any power either. I could use them on my 406 though..

P-E-Z 03-12-2014 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 84ta406 (Post 85773)
Those heads WILL NOT fit on a 305 bore. EVER. And honestly unless you spun the thing to 9000 rpm it wouldnt make any power either. I could use them on my 406 though..

They DID fit and what was on the car. At this point your telling me I do not have the parts ACTUALLY had. Conversation OVER! Here there part list packing materials for the heads, http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...psff87c6cc.jpg

84ta406 03-13-2014 12:41 AM

The part number listed on the packing slip IS NOT the heads you posted a link to. Not all heads are the same. The 31400001 heads are the old Twisted Wedge heads, 23* and known for valve guide problems. The link you posted before was for their 18* head which has a minimum 2.100/ 1.6 valve, thats 3.700" of valve, plus the space between the seats. So we will say 3.800.. How does that fit in a 3.671 bore? Im not doubting you had some TFS heads but not the ones you posted. Your engine probably made a honest 350hp at the flywheel which is about 300 to the wheels, now that is logical as I have personally built a 305 with similar power and parts. Went low 12's in a S10 which is no where near enough power to go 175mph. Your car sounds like a very nice build but like John said none of that made sense. I dont want to sound cocky but I probably know more about Small Block Chevys and anyone on here so trust me when I tell you this stuff.

My84Z 03-13-2014 01:26 AM

Your missing the point gearing wise it won't do 175 lol

84ta406 03-13-2014 01:38 AM

I didnt make my way that far back in the car yet. Was focusing on power requirements first lol

Z28 03-13-2014 02:11 AM

This is reminding me of a time my dad tried telling me he went 190 in his bone stock foxbody

P-E-Z 03-13-2014 02:44 AM

There article Called Five-Liter Heat by John Beachtel from Aug 1995.
http://johnbaechtel.com/ here is writers bio.
Not sure magazine which magazine it was from its has has 55-57 chevy icon at end at the story. I want Say Super Chevy it was 19 years ago. Magazine name cut off.


First Page of the story
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps81d1343a.jpg

Picture Trick Flow on a 305
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps9a3313e0.jpg

Quote from owner Trick flow
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps7968a62a.jpg

84ta406 03-13-2014 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-E-Z (Post 85783)
There article Called Five-Liter Heat by John Beachtel from Aug 1995.
http://johnbaechtel.com/ here is writers bio.
Not sure magazine which magazine it was from its has has 55-57 chevy icon at end at the story. I want Say Super Chevy it was 19 years ago. Magazine name cut off.


First Page of the story
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps81d1343a.jpg

Picture Trick Flow on a 305
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps9a3313e0.jpg

Quote from owner Trick flow
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps7968a62a.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by 84ta406 (Post 85771)
You cant fit anything larger than 2.02/ 1.6 valves in a 305 and thats not nearly enough air to breathe for 175mph. Also to fit those you need atleast a .030 overbore or else the valves would be shrouded. My last engine, my 406ci small block made 550+hp and it still wouldnt go 175mph in my car with a TH400 and 3.50 gearing. The fastest SS/SE 305 is in the 10's which still isnt enough power for 175. Im not gonna say its impossible because Ive seen weirder shit done but I'm calling B.S. on that. Not trying to sound like a dick but theres some pretty damn knowledgeable people on here.


I never said TFS heads dont fit, but the ones you linked to dont. The old 180cc ones do and I think the old 195's as well. But the ones you posted before with the 18* dont. I think youre confused at to which heads you had or something. Also the packing slip is to the old small heads.

My84Z 03-13-2014 03:47 AM

I think again this is a misinformed or just don't know situation. Trick flow make many variations of heads. Just cause they are for 350-400 means nothing. There are 195 185 205 220 etc heads there are different degree heads etc..

DavidS 03-13-2014 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by P-E-Z (Post 85722)
It depends on what insurence pays..... I am also homeless.

PEZ,

Has the insurance company been in touch with you? Do you have Comprehensive Car Insurance?

If you have just the basic minimum insurance and no comprehensive, I'm pretty sure the insurance company will pay $0.

BryanH 03-14-2014 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by My84Z (Post 85779)
Your missing the point gearing wise it won't do 175 lol

Maybe with monster truck tire diameters

LSX-Nation 03-15-2014 03:27 PM

Sucks about your car man. Hope it works out in the end.

DavidS 03-15-2014 11:59 PM

I'm guessing that he's going to have a tough time with insurance.

He might not have comprehensive....so car insurance will pay him zero.

If he does have comprehensive, the insurance company will not care if he had a million dollar jet engine in the car....they will probably pay him $4,000.

He might try to get his homeowner's insurance to pay it, but he will probably need a high powered lawyer to even get a dollar out of them.

He's got to be in a tough spot with this and I'm hoping he comes out ok.

Formula413 03-16-2014 03:12 AM

I didn't even think that maybe the building's insurance might cover it. As far as mods go, if you have receipts you should be able to get something for them, I know I got paid for some stereo stuff in an old car of mine that was totaled. But only because I had receipts.


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