pulled the front clip off the Z/28 [Archive] - Page 2

DavidS

12-19-2012, 02:05 AM

haha had to. lookin good! looks like its still on schedule?

HA!

Yep. It should be getting primer and paint soon. Mike painted a sample ralley green but original areas like under the trunk lid looked slightly darker than the paint code. He is going to match it and make it slightly darker.

Ralley green is not the most attractive color in the world, but that's how it was so that's what it's going back to.

ILuvPizzaTimes10

12-19-2012, 03:51 AM

Sounds awesome! and i agree i would not change the color either

frankzlt1

12-19-2012, 03:42 PM

I kinda like that color of the z its different i dont see that coor very often.

bottledbird68

12-29-2012, 07:45 PM

I kinda like the rally green. It's different. You don't see it too often.

DavidS

12-30-2012, 01:06 AM

I kinda like the rally green. It's different. You don't see it too often.

Thanks Matt!!!

Green is definitely a tough color to love. I saw one post where I think that Slowhawk also might not have been too in love with his "green Bugga".

The 1969 owner (Alfred) also wasn't 100% in love with the rallye green and almost bought a burnished brown plain jane Camaro over the Z/28.

Regardless....it's a historical thing. If the drivetrain wasn't numbers matching I wouldn't be so sure, but since it is and I tracked down and talked to the former 8 owners who kept it rallye green, it should go back to the way it was.

ls6monte

12-30-2012, 01:59 AM

Green is definetly a color for personal taste but you have to admit the early 90's Polo green on the Vette's and the "cough cough" Forest green on the mustangs were pretty nice colors.

DavidS

01-17-2013, 08:44 PM

Green is definetly a color for personal taste but you have to admit the early 90's Polo green on the Vette's and the "cough cough" Forest green on the mustangs were pretty nice colors.

Mike showed me a sample today that is real close to the underside of the trunk color. I think it will look great since it's darker than the first sample he showed me.

He took the hood apart to totally get rid of all the trapped rust.

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Dec2012-Jan2013/6Z-01172013.jpg
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Dec2012-Jan2013/1Z-01172013.jpg

And the body is in primer now.
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Dec2012-Jan2013/4Z-01172013.jpg
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Dec2012-Jan2013/5Z-01172013.jpg

ls6monte

01-17-2013, 11:42 PM

Looking good David! Another 100k camaro??????? lol

DavidS

01-18-2013, 12:12 AM

Looking good David! Another 100k camaro??????? lol

Thanks Ron!

For you..........One MILLION DOLLARS!! Am I going to see you at the party on Sunday?

l91ISfcuzDw

frankzlt1

01-18-2013, 12:14 AM

siiiiiccccckkkk!!!!!! lol looks awesome. your body guy isnt much for detail is he lol.that car is going to be brand new i wonder if its going to have the new car smell when its done.

bottledbird68

01-18-2013, 03:00 PM

Holy crap! Removed all the hood bracing! That's thorough for sure

ZFreie

01-18-2013, 03:57 PM

Holy crap! Removed all the hood bracing! That's thorough for sureThat builder doesn't joke around clearly, there is more time in that hood then my whole car LOL

DAWG

01-19-2013, 01:34 PM

Christ have HIM FIX THAT HOOD ISSUE ON YER 68?
with all the work you gave him it outta be a freebie?

DavidS

01-19-2013, 04:32 PM

Christ have HIM FIX THAT HOOD ISSUE ON YER 68?
with all the work you gave him it outta be a freebie?

Mike is a perfectionist. The 68 is my fun car. If he ever started working on it, he would start to find hundreds of problems. Also cowl induction hoods didn't come out until 1/2 way through 1969. No 68 had them and the hood on there now is a crappy reproduction.

I'm just going to leave it for now.

BadBird505

01-19-2013, 05:27 PM

Car is looking amazing! good to see that there are still people out there that take pride in their work

DAWG

01-20-2013, 01:41 PM

Mike is a perfectionist. The 68 is my fun car. If he ever started working on it, he would start to find hundreds of problems. Also cowl induction hoods didn't come out until 1/2 way through 1969. No 68 had them and the hood on there now is a crappy reproduction.

I'm just going to leave it for now.

Ok then just remember if you ever part with the 68 you know who to ask first!

jeff68

01-20-2013, 02:14 PM

good to see that there are still people out there that take pride in their work
There is actually a sign hanging in the shop that says:
"PAIN IS TEMPORARY. PRIDE IS FOREVER."

DavidS

01-25-2013, 07:13 PM

Z/28 inner fenders wells:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Dec2012-Jan2013/fender1.jpg
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Dec2012-Jan2013/fender2.jpg
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Dec2012-Jan2013/fender3.jpg

Upper Control Arms:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Dec2012-Jan2013/upper-control-arm2.jpg
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Dec2012-Jan2013/upper-control-arm1.jpg

bottledbird68

01-26-2013, 03:50 AM

What is he painting them with? That sheen looks perfect and I've always had a hard time finding a semi gloss black that looks right.

frankzlt1

01-29-2013, 02:12 AM

That looks incredible.

DavidS

02-07-2013, 02:54 AM

What is he painting them with?
Matt, I'll check with Mike next time I'm at the shop.

I just saw that the Z is shown on the front page of the Camaro Research Group: www.camaros.org (http://www.camaros.org)
It's the one on the far right. Cool! If you click on it, it shows you a bigger pic.

Mike painted the stands the same color as the carpet.
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Feb2013/IMG_6890_zpsc5726edf.jpg

and he's making some progress.
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Feb2013/IMG_6895_zps0ad2fa8f.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Feb2013/IMG_6778_zpsb19e6097.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Feb2013/IMG_6723_zpsf9827791.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Feb2013/IMG_6887_zps7134baee.jpg

DavidS

02-28-2013, 12:11 AM

The grille has been repainted back to the correct Argent Silver (the first owner rattle canned it black).
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Feb2013/IMG_7004_zps6f36b22d.jpg
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http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Feb2013/IMG_7009_zps8702bb4a.jpg
And the DZ 302 has been repainted the correct Chevy orange.
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Feb2013/IMG_7010_zps61db7939.jpg
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Feb2013/IMG_7011_zpse8857b4e.jpg
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http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Feb2013/IMG_7016_zpsd3ee8381.jpg

DAWG

02-28-2013, 12:28 AM

NICE!!!!!:buff:

frankzlt1

02-28-2013, 01:02 AM

Coming out nice. What color does the bell housing suppose to be?

ILuvPizzaTimes10

02-28-2013, 02:02 AM

i think there supposed to be over sprayed over the grey.

DavidS

02-28-2013, 02:14 AM

Coming out nice. What color does the bell housing suppose to be?

i think there supposed to be over sprayed over the grey.

Correct. It's supposed to be natural with overspray. From a Camaro Research Group post "The bellhousing was on the engine when it was painted, and normally shows at least overspray on the forward 3"-4", although coverage varied greatly."

ILuvPizzaTimes10

02-28-2013, 03:12 AM

yeah ive pulled a few and they are all SHITTY looking with oxidization and over spray. haha

DavidS

02-28-2013, 03:53 AM

SHITTY looking with oxidization

for natural parts, we are using Rust Prevention Magic (RPM): http://ecsautomotive.com/rpm.php

It's only been around for about 2 years, but almost all the reviews I've read on the stuff are very good. I'm hoping it holds up over time.

ILuvPizzaTimes10

02-28-2013, 04:03 AM

good!! leaving it "natural" because some ass whipe judge sez so. and it turns to crap in a few years. doesnt seem worth it to me!

DavidS

03-14-2013, 12:54 AM

good!! leaving it "natural" because some ass whipe judge sez so. and it turns to crap in a few years. doesnt seem worth it to me!

Yep. You are absolutely right and Mike was going to paint them a natural color, but a lot of guys have been using the RPM stuff with good results.

DavidS

03-14-2013, 01:00 AM

99 days until the Camaro Nationals.

Update pics:

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/2013Mar-April/IMG_7114_zps25856d7a.jpg
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/2013Mar-April/IMG_7116_zps58768e2d.jpg
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/2013Mar-April/IMG_7117_zpsaf774e98.jpg
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/2013Mar-April/IMG_7118_zpseab59bbb.jpg
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/2013Mar-April/IMG_7129_zps2117626a.jpg

jeff68

03-14-2013, 06:47 PM

99 days until the Camaro Nationals.
:eek:

frankzlt1

03-14-2013, 07:01 PM

Wow crunch time lol lookin really good.

DavidS

03-14-2013, 08:05 PM

:eek:

Yep.

Wow crunch time lol lookin really good.
Thanks! 98 days left.

ILuvPizzaTimes10

03-15-2013, 01:27 PM

tell him to take his time but HURRY UP!!!!

DavidS

03-21-2013, 01:02 AM

92 days left.

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/IMG_7151_zpse82dccea.jpg
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ls6monte

03-21-2013, 01:07 AM

Looks like crap David! It's all in pieces!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

DavidS

03-21-2013, 01:17 AM

HA!

Yep. It's going back together but time is running out. They are finishing up sanding the body and parts for paint.

frankzlt1

03-21-2013, 01:18 AM

Wtf hurry up lol looking good Dave

Formula413

03-21-2013, 01:20 AM

I actually really dig that green. I'm looking forward to seeing this one completed.

DavidS

03-21-2013, 01:38 AM

I actually really dig that green. I'm looking forward to seeing this one completed.

Thanks! I'm getting more used to the green. It wouldn't have been my first choice, but at least it will be different. Nothing says original 1st gen like green paint and a flat hood.

jeff68

03-22-2013, 12:14 AM

Looking good.
Is it just me, or do those valve stems look a little long?

DavidS

03-22-2013, 12:24 AM

Looking good.
Is it just me, or do those valve stems look a little long?

Crud. Mike might have used a set that came with the tires. I have a correct repop set there that I picked up from PaceCarJeff.

DAWG

03-22-2013, 10:47 AM

they are ment to be longer.
remember it gets a wheel trim ring.
My 69 corvette has extra long stems and they are just right with the trim rings on.
Double check before getting the short stems David.

jeff68

03-22-2013, 12:16 PM

Typically the longer stems are used with full wheel covers, and the shorter ones with trim rings. I have original wheels w/ NOS wheel covers and a set of GM rally wheels, so I had to get 2 different stem lengths.

Here is a CRG thread showing the shorter length valve stems on unmolested rally wheels:
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=9824.0

Now, do you have the correct old style 'winged' wheel weights? These cal also be seen the the photos on CRG. Then you have to figure out where to get air from 1969. It just keeps on going...

DavidS

03-22-2013, 12:28 PM

Then you have to figure out where to get air from 1969. It just keeps on going...

HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!

Judged stuff is a different world filled with pink tutu's. I don't think I can take it much longer.

jeff68

03-22-2013, 02:14 PM

I don't think I can take it much longer.

I'm surprised you've stuck with it this long!

I like things to be nice and original, but I gave up on the whole "100% technically correct" thing a long time ago. F 'em. It's my car. Some things I want done my way. Why? Because that's the way I want it (or, in the case of my car, Dad's way trumps my way). If you don't like the finish on my pinion yoke, go talk to someone who cares.

I applaud you for doing what you are doing. It takes a special kind of person to do it. Special = a little crazy. That's meant in a good way. Hopefully, you'll do the show car thing for a while, then let the world enjoy seeing a flat-hood 69 Z/28 cruising the streets.

ILuvPizzaTimes10

03-23-2013, 12:03 AM

^^ i agree with that!!!! do the shows get it out of your system then Really enjoy the car!!

DavidS

03-23-2013, 11:33 PM

I'm surprised you've stuck with it this long!

I like things to be nice and original, but I gave up on the whole "100% technically correct" thing a long time ago. F 'em. It's my car. Some things I want done my way. Why? Because that's the way I want it (or, in the case of my car, Dad's way trumps my way). If you don't like the finish on my pinion yoke, go talk to someone who cares.

I applaud you for doing what you are doing. It takes a special kind of person to do it. Special = a little crazy. That's meant in a good way. Hopefully, you'll do the show car thing for a while, then let the world enjoy seeing a flat-hood 69 Z/28 cruising the streets.

You got this exactly right Jeff. Nothing I can add to it, except that I really enjoyed the Maratta Show but I'm not sure about the Camaro Nationals. We'll see. For the most part, I'll try anything once.

^^ i agree with that!!!! do the shows get it out of your system then Really enjoy the car!!

That is definitely the plan Mike!

jeff68

03-24-2013, 10:30 PM

... except that I really enjoyed the Maratta Show ...

We all get a certain amount of satisfaction from people telling us we have a nice car. I just makes you feel good. Nothing wrong with feeling good.

I wonder about the Camaro National as well. It almost seems like it's all about finding fault. Instead of "wow, this is a really nice car, you just need a few details to make it better", it may be "this is wrong, that is wrong, fix it and better luck next year". I hope it's the former and not the later.

Either way, try to have fun with it. Sometimes I loose track of that, and my dad / family / friends need to remind me that I do this for fun. F u n .......... F u n .......... F u n .......... I need to repeat it slowly & take deep breaths sometimes.

DavidS

03-25-2013, 12:47 AM

We all get a certain amount of satisfaction from people telling us we have a nice car. I just makes you feel good. Nothing wrong with feeling good.

I wonder about the Camaro National as well. It almost seems like it's all about finding fault. Instead of "wow, this is a really nice car, you just need a few details to make it better", it may be "this is wrong, that is wrong, fix it and better luck next year". I hope it's the former and not the later.

Either way, try to have fun with it. Sometimes I loose track of that, and my dad / family / friends need to remind me that I do this for fun. F u n .......... F u n .......... F u n .......... I need to repeat it slowly & take deep breaths sometimes.

The Maratta Show had a Las Vegas type vibe to it. It's not the SEMA show or anything but it was cool to see big crowds walking around the car taking loads and loads of pictures. It was like the car was a Hollywood star on the red carpet. LOL.

Most people there didn't know or didn't care about numbers stuff. They just liked seeing the car and it was nice over hearing a lot of dad's explaining to their kids how cars used to be when they were growing up. I thought that was great.

Next year, I'd like to bring the Z to the Maratta Show and maybe the Boston World of Wheels show.

The most fun part of all though is cruising around the streets of Granby CT and Southwick Mass.

frankzlt1

04-10-2013, 03:32 PM

How's everything coming along. Times a tickng lol.

DavidS

04-11-2013, 01:03 AM

Things are moving along Frank, but time is running out. 70 days to go.

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frankzlt1

04-11-2013, 09:58 AM

Wow I actually like the color a lot. Coming great as usual.

DAWG

04-11-2013, 12:52 PM

lookin good.

DavidS

05-02-2013, 10:13 AM

49 days until the Camaro Nationals.

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/2013Mar-April/IMG_7412.jpg
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ILuvPizzaTimes10

05-02-2013, 01:14 PM

HURRY UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! Looks Awesome!

jeff68

05-02-2013, 04:33 PM

Glad to see you kept the original underbody paint scheme.
Looks nice.

frankzlt1

05-02-2013, 04:56 PM

looks awesome!!!!!!!!

DavidS

05-02-2013, 07:45 PM

HURRY UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! Looks Awesome!
Thanks Mike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Glad to see you kept the original underbody paint scheme.
Looks nice.
This was a real tough decision. I believe most cars had a lot more black but I have seen pics where some were primer. For modern judging, they want a uniform 30% gloss black with some overspray. In judging in the 80's, they allowed either primer gray or black. In the end, I took Mike's advice and just went with how this car looked and put it back to how we think it looked originally.

looks awesome!!!!!!!!
Thanks Frank!!!

ls6monte

05-03-2013, 01:30 AM

Get that shit done! The Quabbin cruise is coming up soon!!!!!!!!!! lol

DavidS

05-03-2013, 10:40 AM

Get that shit done! The Quabbin cruise is coming up soon!!!!!!!!!! lol

Thanks Ron!!!! I needed that. I laughed so hard I almost fell out of my chair.

My84Z

05-03-2013, 12:35 PM

That car is so sweet!

ls6monte

05-04-2013, 12:39 AM

Thanks Ron!!!! I needed that. I laughed so hard I almost fell out of my chair.

As long as you got a good laugh! Looking good Dave!

DavidS

05-04-2013, 01:30 AM

That car is so sweet!
Thanks!!! The rear end and subframe should be in by the end of next week.

As long as you got a good laugh! Looking good Dave!
Yep. That was a great one!

Grovlet

05-04-2013, 02:39 PM

Looking Good!! Can't wait to see this one completed!:tard:

DavidS

05-05-2013, 01:06 AM

Looking Good!! Can't wait to see this one completed!:tard:

Thanks Eric!! If luck is on my side, it'll be done in 46 days.

DavidS

05-09-2013, 03:04 PM

42 days to go.

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7447.jpg

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frankzlt1

05-09-2013, 11:27 PM

hey look it does fit lol. looking great dave car looks funny with the stock wheels and tires, there so narrow. but coming along very good. how many days left.

DavidS

05-10-2013, 12:58 AM

hey look it does fit lol. looking great dave car looks funny with the stock wheels and tires, there so narrow. but coming along very good. how many days left.

After a year or two of being a trailer queen it'll be time for a day 2 makeover ....better tires, better shocks, and headers!

On Monday, it'll be 37 days but that includes weekends. I might be screwed but Mike says it'll be done.

DAWG

05-10-2013, 03:00 AM

I hope so?
you paid his expenses for a year i bet.
And time is running out to take it to the friday nite torrington show hehe.

DavidS

05-11-2013, 01:32 AM

I hope so?
you paid his expenses for a year i bet.
And time is running out to take it to the friday nite torrington show hehe.
HA. I hear ya Dawg....a lot of time and money but for me it's a "once in a life time" car and I don't think I'd let anyone else touch this car. I've been emailing the former owners who were Vietnam vets on the status of the car and some are going next year and maybe some this year to the Camaro Nationals.

It's going to be a "points chasing trailer queen" for two years max. Then, day 2 mods and I'll be driving it. During the first two years, I'd have to trailer it to the torrington show. If you help me do that....even a small amount of help.....I'll bring it.

DavidS

05-11-2013, 01:40 AM

Today's pics:

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7496.jpg
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DAWG

05-11-2013, 04:52 AM

yeah ill help ya. just let me knoiw when your coming to the show.
You might get there a bit early so youll have a spot to park the truck/trailer.

DavidS

05-13-2013, 01:27 AM

yeah ill help ya. just let me knoiw when your coming to the show.
You might get there a bit early so youll have a spot to park the truck/trailer.

Sounds good Dawg! Anyway, can you get me a spot so I don't have to deal with guys like the fat f#¢ker in the porsche that likes to lean on my car?

DAWG

05-13-2013, 02:46 AM

he dont go to our show.

DavidS

05-13-2013, 02:59 AM

he dont go to our show.
OK Dawg! Sounds good.

ls6monte

05-14-2013, 12:05 AM

Quabbin is Saturday! Get that shit done!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

DavidS

05-15-2013, 07:26 PM

Quabbin is Saturday! Get that shit done!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Z won't be ready for the Quabbin. LOL.

35 days to go until the Camaro Nationals.

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7517.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7522.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7523.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7526.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7527.jpg

My84Z

05-15-2013, 09:54 PM

That thing is so damn sexy!

ls6monte

05-15-2013, 10:41 PM

Looking very sweet David!!!

ILuvPizzaTimes10

05-16-2013, 01:22 AM

i agree LOVE the green!!!!!!

DavidS

05-16-2013, 01:27 AM

Stripes should be painted on Friday! Time is running out but it looks like everything will be done in time.

jeff68

05-16-2013, 06:06 PM

Looking good. Man, those tires look skinny, especially on 7" wide wheels.

The rear end was painted black as an assembly, which means that the rear brake drums would be black and the parking brake cables would have black overspray on them where they enter the backing plates.
Also check the AIM for proper orientation of the tie rod end sleeve clamps. IIRC, there is an unusual orientation.

Not trying to pick the car apart, but the judges will!

DavidS

05-16-2013, 06:49 PM

Looking good.
I believe that the rear end was painted as an assembly, which means that the rear brake drums would be black and the parking brake cables would have black overspray on them where the enter the backing plates.
Also check the AIM for proper orientation of the tie rod end sleeve clamps. IIRC, there is an unusual orientation.

Not trying to pick the car apart, but the judges will!

Yep. All 69 Z/28's were equipped with 15x7-inch rally wheels. The early ones (Sept-Dec 68) were stamped "AD" and after that they were stamped "YH". Original, stamped and date correct YH wheels are on it now.

Jeff. A huge amount of THANKS for all your advice!!!!! Pick away!

I appreciate all the advice you can offer.

jeff68

05-16-2013, 06:52 PM

Jeff. A huge amount of THANKS for all your advice!!!!! Pick away!

I appreciate all the advice you can offer.

No problem - I don't want to come a cross as one of those guys just trying to find something wrong with a really nice car. But, if I can earn you a few extra points, it's all good!

DavidS

05-16-2013, 06:56 PM

No problem - I don't want to come a cross as one of those guys just trying to find something wrong with a really nice car. But, if I can earn you a few extra points, it's all good!

Keep finding.....Keep finding!

DavidS

05-23-2013, 01:37 AM

Today the original headliner kept ripping apart and couldn't be saved. The material is thin and after 45 years, I think it was too dried out. Crud. A repop is on order.

Pics from this morning.

rear stripes are on:

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/P1000559.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/P1000560.jpg

28 days left
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/P1000562.jpg

frankzlt1

05-23-2013, 11:32 PM

No weekend or holiday off they better get crackin. Lol looking good

DavidS

05-24-2013, 01:09 AM

No weekend or holiday off they better get crackin. Lol looking good

You got that right Frank! It might take a small miracle. There is so much small stuff that gets forgotten and things that go wrong along the way.

DavidS

06-04-2013, 01:21 AM

Running out of time. 16 days until it has to be in the trailer.

Pics from this morning.

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/P1000571.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/P1000567.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/P1000572.jpg

jeff68

06-04-2013, 03:21 AM

^^ Nice plate. I assume it is a repro(?) I have the original plate off of my car, and I had a repro made by licenseplates.tv. It came out nice (the 2nd time around!). If you get creative with a color printer, you can make a pretty decent registration sticker. I made a July 68 sticker since that's when my car was delivered. Technically, the registration would have been renewed in June 68 so the sticker would have the expiration date of June 69. But I wanted the sticker to have the year of the car on it. Anyhow, I have the file somewhere. If you want it I'll e-mail it to you.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j126/jac04/GU875plate003_zps04cf1f99.jpg[/URL]

DavidS

06-04-2013, 09:56 AM

^^ Nice plate. I assume it is a repro(?) I have the original plate off of my car, and I had a repro made by licenseplates.tv. It came out nice (the 2nd time around!). If you get creative with a color printer, you can make a pretty decent registration sticker. I made a July 68 sticker since that's when my car was delivered. Technically, the registration would have been renewed in June 68 so the sticker would have the expiration date of June 69. But I wanted the sticker to have the year of the car on it. Anyhow, I have the file somewhere. If you want it I'll e-mail it to you.

Thanks! It's also a repro from licenseplates.tv. If you can send the file, that would be great. I'll make a Jan 69 sticker.

frankzlt1

06-04-2013, 08:54 PM

DAWG

06-05-2013, 10:47 AM

car looks awesome!
only thing about rushing is people tend to forget something or dont get everything "just right".

DavidS

06-05-2013, 12:27 PM

On the original tag is that slots cut for the metal style reg.
Yes, the lower plate pic Jeff posted has the slots for the metal registration tag.

car looks awesome!
only thing about rushing is people tend to forget something or dont get everything "just right".
And sometimes what you thought was A-OK, like a 44 year old headliner, is really not and rips all the time.

---------------------------------------

One hood hinge had to be rebuilt and the original gauges have been cleaned up and tested.
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7613.jpg
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/a1252923-f186-4f97-8379-832398a0efae.jpg
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7615.jpg
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7616.jpg
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7617.jpg
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7618.jpg

frankzlt1

06-05-2013, 04:17 PM

Really nice me like.

ILuvPizzaTimes10

06-05-2013, 05:33 PM

gauges look bad ass!!!

ZFreie

06-06-2013, 12:32 PM

gauges look bad ass!!!They look vintage LOL

DAWG

06-06-2013, 10:34 PM

hmmm now why cant ya turn the mileage back to 0?
Since its "ALL NEW" now.
Everything looks Great!

Formula413

06-06-2013, 10:36 PM

Hahaha good point!

DavidS

06-07-2013, 02:50 AM

Pic from this morning. Engine wiring going in.

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/z28-6-6-13.jpg

Formula413

06-07-2013, 03:12 PM

Every time I see that color I love it even more.

DAWG

06-07-2013, 06:33 PM

Every time I see that color I love it even more.

I agree.

frankzlt1

06-07-2013, 06:57 PM

Pic from this morning. Engine wiring going in.

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/z28-6-6-13.jpg

This pic shows that green nice should look awesome when the rest of the body gets together.

jeff68

06-07-2013, 08:09 PM

Why is only 1 out of the 3 guys working on David's car??
Don't they know there's only like 2 weeks until the Camaro Nationals??
hehehe

DAWG

06-07-2013, 09:48 PM

Why is only 1 out of the 3 guys working on David's car??
Don't they know there's only like 2 weeks until the Camaro Nationals??
hehehe

UNION shop!
or prior state workers!

Grovlet

06-08-2013, 03:51 PM

Looking Good - Here's to hoping you make it in time:beer:

DavidS

06-11-2013, 02:56 PM

Thanks guys!

Getting down to the wire. 6.5 business days left before it has to be in the trailer.
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7635.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7610.jpg

2 pics from yesterday:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7637.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7638.jpg

ILuvPizzaTimes10

06-11-2013, 07:07 PM

and he sez it will be done!?!?!?!?!?!

DavidS

06-11-2013, 08:19 PM

and he sez it will be done!?!?!?!?!?!

He said that because his name is Mike, it will be done.

I might need a small miracle though.

DAWG

06-11-2013, 08:42 PM

Dont rush. or else nasty mistakes are made !

frankzlt1

06-11-2013, 10:26 PM

This car is ending up like one those shows on TV that they have a deadline and its coming to the end and it doesn't look hood then all of a sudden its done lol. Coming out great.

DavidS

06-12-2013, 11:27 PM

This car is ending up like one those shows on TV that they have a deadline and its coming to the end and it doesn't look hood then all of a sudden its done lol. Coming out great.

I hope so Frank! 5 business days left.

The hood is on, but not final adjusted. Mike is working on putting the windshield in now.

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7649.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7642.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7643.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7645.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7646.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7648.jpg

ZFreie

06-13-2013, 12:36 PM

They make it look easy

jeff68

06-13-2013, 01:36 PM

Wow, it's going to be close!
I can just envision 2-3 guys riding in the enclosed trailer on the way to the Nats, installing the final few pieces...

DavidS

06-13-2013, 04:15 PM

Wow, it's going to be close!
I can just envision 2-3 guys riding in the enclosed trailer on the way to the Nats, installing the final few pieces...

Yep. I'm going to need more ventilation in the trailer so it can act as a spray booth on the way there.

DAWG

06-13-2013, 06:36 PM

why does the cowl have the strips and the hood doesnt?
Looking great btw!

DavidS

06-13-2013, 07:00 PM

why does the cowl have the strips and the hood doesnt?
Looking great btw!

Thanks Dawg!

The hood is going to be lined up before the stripes go on. Also, the blackout paint on the bottom of the front fenders has to go on (also done after alignment).

Front stripes definitely have to go on:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/pratt1/z28/Z28-01.jpg

The car is also supposed to have these options:
-------------------------------------------------------------
A01 tinted glass
B93 door edge guards
D55 console
D80 spoiler equipment (front & rear)
G80 positraction, 4.10 ratio
J52 brakes (front disc brakes)
M21 4-speed transmission
U17 special instrumentation (required the ordering of a console. It included the tach, clock, fuel, oil, amp, and temperature gauges.)
U63 AM radio
VE3 special front bumper
Z21 style trim group (Chrome roof drip rails, quarter panel louvers, wheel well moldings, chrome headlight rings, blacked out rocker sill)
Z23 special interior group (Special steering wheel, Bright pedal trim, Woodgrain dash molding, Dash assist handle)
Z28 special and equipment

It's not supposed to have:
---------------------------------
fog lights

frankzlt1

06-14-2013, 12:48 AM

Yellow fog lights to boot lol. What was the purpose of yellow anyways?

DAWG

06-14-2013, 11:18 AM

front spoiler going on aswell?

DavidS

06-14-2013, 06:49 PM

front spoiler going on aswell?
Yep. It's supposed to be on there, but sometime between Jan 1969 and Dec 1969 someone took it off.

I'm still buying small last minute items. Today, I was scrambling trying to find an original console gauge cluster cover. Mine is cracked in two spots. http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/GaugeCover.jpg

I've got one coming in from Steve's Camaro Shop in California. Steve Reinero's site is: www.Camaro-Shop.com (http://www.Camaro-Shop.com). He is very reasonable on his pricing and has a lot of inventory. I wish I found this guy two years ago. I could have saved myself a lot of FleaBay headaches.

jeff68

06-14-2013, 07:07 PM

The car is also supposed to have these options:
-------------------------------------------------------------
B93 door edge guards

Are you putting them back on?

Yellow fog lights to boot lol. What was the purpose of yellow anyways?
A good read on the subject:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/lights/light_color/light_color.html

DavidS

06-14-2013, 10:23 PM

Are you putting them back on?

I was trying to avoid it since it scratches the heck out of a pristine paint job, but since they were on originally they are going back on. I have a NOS pair that I picked up about a year ago.

A good read on the subject:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/lights/light_color/light_color.html
Nice find!

DavidS

06-14-2013, 10:57 PM

Hood stripes went on today.

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7662.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7663.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7664.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7665.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7666.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7667.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7668.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/IMG_7669.jpg

frankzlt1

06-14-2013, 11:36 PM

Looking good Dave, how many days left?

DavidS

06-14-2013, 11:47 PM

Looking good Dave, how many days left?

Thanks Frank! 3 business days. It has to be in the trailer on Wed so we can leave at 6 am on Thursday. 6 hour drive and it has to be in it's spot by Thursday no later than 3 pm (I should double check the time).

It's going to be tight. One way or another, the car will be there. The only former owner that will definitely be there has a major issue due to agent orange and said that one of the things on his bucket list is seeing his old Z. One way or another, the car will be there.

frankzlt1

06-15-2013, 12:19 AM

That's cool 1 of the original owners going to see he car back in its glory.

DavidS

06-15-2013, 01:44 AM

That's cool 1 of the original owners going to see he car back in its glory.

Thanks Frank! After I posted, I sent the pictures to the entire group of former owners (except for 1 guy who doesn't have email).

The one guy who always said he would be going emailed me back about 5 minutes ago:

"That car is beautiful!
I am making plans to be there. Please keep me updated as I will not come unless you are going to be there. It will be so great to finally meet you and see part of my history restored!"

Even if it's in a million fucking pieces...One way or another, the car will be there.

Formula413

06-15-2013, 02:19 AM

Honestly I was going to try to talk you out of trying to rush the car to have it ready for this show but after reading that I changed my mind. That will be really cool. That guy's mind will be blown when he sees this car.

DAWG

06-15-2013, 11:04 AM

yeah for sure, kinda like that one girl you knew long ago that was something special and you lost track of through the years, And finally meeting up once again.

DavidS

06-19-2013, 01:11 AM

The Z has to be in the trailer tomorrow. Mike and his crew were having loads of problems with the heater core today. The repop one had a lot of cracks in it and was leaking everywhere. The NOS one would not hold pressure and was leaking internally. Even though the old one was a little rusty, it held pressure and they ended up putting it back in. The 44 year old one was the only one that would work and there wasn't enough time to screw with the new ones.

Also there were a loads of electrical gremlins to get worked out. The car is looking nice though.

Thanks to Jeff68 for the registration sticker template!
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/z-plate.jpg

Pics from this morning.
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/z-front.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/z-side.jpg

ls6monte

06-19-2013, 01:35 AM

Nice! Good luck with it David!

DavidS

06-19-2013, 01:41 AM

Nice! Good luck with it David!
Thanks Ron!!! I believe I have to score a 950 out of 1000 to get into the Legends class. I'll post more pics soon.

frankzlt1

06-19-2013, 09:48 AM

Good luck Dave

DAWG

06-19-2013, 10:23 AM

good Luck and hope you get those Issues figured out.

Grovlet

06-19-2013, 04:01 PM

Good Luck - Can't wait to hear the stories on the previous owners now seeing the car again in all it's glory!!!

DavidS

06-19-2013, 04:28 PM

Good Luck - Can't wait to hear the stories on the previous owners now seeing the car again in all it's glory!!!
Thanks Eric! Only one of the former owners is going. The main reason is that I was not sure if the car would be done in time.

The car is ready to go now though, with the one exception being the ammeter that is not working.

Underbody pics taken today:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/061913-1.jpg
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/061913-2.jpg
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/061913-3.jpg
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/May-June2013/061913-5.jpg

jeff68

06-19-2013, 08:38 PM

A little late, but the exhaust manifold heat riser should be installed so that the weight is on the outboard side.

DavidS

06-20-2013, 01:07 AM

A little late, but the exhaust manifold heat riser should be installed so that the weight is on the outboard side.

Are you sure Jeff? I asked Mike and Andrew to install it just like JohnZ said and to make it look like his Z/28 engine pictured below. They did exactly what I asked.
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/DZ302-JohnZ-heatriser.jpg

JohnZ wrote: “The “extension” was used on all cars at the RH exhaust pipe-to-manifold attachment, in addition to the heat riser valve; it supports the inside diameter of the packing, keeping it from disintegrating (it was also used on the other side). The illustration in the A.I.M. is incorrect – it should show the heat riser valve too. If you look in the “non-illustrated parts” sheet at the beginning of the L34/L35/L78 sections, under UPC 6, where it has the line item for “intake & exhaust manifolds & heat control”, it shows the “assembles same as production” symbol (the “heat control” is the heat riser valve). ”

frankzlt1

06-20-2013, 01:09 AM

Looks awesome. The under body was never factory painted? Is the oil filter OEM white or are they ac delco blue?

frankzlt1

06-20-2013, 01:13 AM

Is the hood a functional air induction hood? Too bad you didn't have the era battery for it.

DavidS

06-20-2013, 01:34 AM

Looks awesome. The under body was never factory painted? Is the oil filter OEM white or are they ac delco blue?

Thanks Frank!!!

There is a lot of debate on the underbody color. The problem is there was gray primer applied by hand some cars got a lot of gray primer and some got none. The judges expect 30% gloss black (I think it's 30%, but definitely black). I decided to have it painted to what I believe was there originally. Lots of gray primer.

Originally the filters were a white PF25. I think at some point in 1969 they changed to or from a white PF29. I have a reproduction PF25 on there right now. An original 44 year old one would deteriorate rapidly and would probably not be very good for the engine.

Is the hood a functional air induction hood? Too bad you didn't have the era battery for it.
No, it originally had a flat hood. Cowl induction came out half way through 1969 and this car was made too early to have a cowl hood. The original flat hood is on it right now.

The battery on the car right now is a Y55. It is an original battery and it took me about a year to find one. I have a post on 69 Z/28 batteries here: http://www.z28.net/2012/07/12/y-55-delco-battery/

Also, the DZ302 shown in post #309 is not my engine. It's from one of the main guys in the Camaro Research Group - JohnZ. I was using his engine as an example for Jeff68 to see if my heat riser is on wrong.

The car is in my trailer and we're leaving at 6 am tomorrow!

jeff68

06-20-2013, 11:53 AM

frankzlt1

06-20-2013, 12:53 PM

Good luck Dave , thats a lot of great info.

DavidS

06-21-2013, 10:27 AM

David-
Every heat riser I've seen has had the weight on the outboard side, and that's the way mine was originally. Definitely ask one of the 'experts' when you get there and it's a 15 minute change if you need to change it. Let us know what you find out.

Have fun!!!!

Thanks Jeff. I'll look closely at all the Legends cars.

We got the car in place yesterday:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/pratt1/photo-2.jpg

DavidS

06-21-2013, 10:30 AM

Good luck Dave , thats a lot of great info.

Thanks Frank! Here's one more pic from yesterday:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/pratt1/photo.jpg

jeff68

06-21-2013, 01:12 PM

Looks awesome!!!

ZFreie

06-21-2013, 01:38 PM

Best looking car there!

Grovlet

06-21-2013, 01:58 PM

Is that another Green Car right in front? I was thinking the color was on the rare side and would help at least draw some additional attention?

Looking Good!!!

Good Luck!!

DavidS

06-21-2013, 08:47 PM

Thanks guys!!!!

Is that another Green Car right in front? I was thinking the color was on the rare side and would help at least draw some additional attention?

Looking Good!!!

Good Luck!!
That car is a blue Z but my pic probably doesn't show it well. There are other ralley green cars here though.

I didn't get judged today so it'll be judged tomorrow.

Also, the 1974 owner Larry came by this morning and spent at least 2 hours with car. I've got great pics with him in it and he really loved it.

DavidS

06-23-2013, 05:35 AM

Scored a 981 out of 1000.

New England F-Bodies FTW.

Formula413

06-23-2013, 05:39 AM

Damn, not too shabby for having to rush! Way to go Dave!

frankzlt1

06-23-2013, 05:41 AM

Thats Fkn awesome.

frankzlt1

06-23-2013, 05:46 AM

What did you lose 19 pts on?

DavidS

06-23-2013, 05:52 AM

Thanks Alex!!!

We lost some points with the rushed parts....but still had the best score in the Bowtie class out of 14 cars.

The highlight though is pics of Larry in the driver's seat.

pics to folllow soon.

DavidS

06-23-2013, 05:57 AM

What did you lose 19 pts on?

Mostly real small stuff...like repop hood bumpers that made the hood look a little bowed and a wrong bolt on the alternator bracket.

DAWG

06-23-2013, 11:31 AM

very good score David!

jeff68

06-23-2013, 01:00 PM

....but still had the best score in the Bowtie class out of 14 cars.

That's great. So, fix a few simple things, get 1000 points next year, then start driving it?

DavidS

06-23-2013, 01:17 PM

very good score David!

Thanks Dawg! I'm very happy with the score.

That's great. So, fix a few simple things, get 1000 points next year, then start driving it?
Next year it would be in the Legends class which is 5,000 points. It's definitely a tougher class but I'm planning on trying Legends next year. I am fortunate to have the 68 and the other 69 to cruise around in....for now.

What was real nice about the show is that everybody was really trying to help each other out as much as they could. By the time the judges reviewed my car, other guys from both the Bowtie class, and Legends class had already pointed out 80% of the problems already. Also Chick stopped by and pointed out some stuff which was real nice of him.

I also got to help some guys out with some easy to correct items like swapping the horn locations around....before the judges got there. Since it's a point system, everyone seemed to be great about helping each other out. The only thing is that even though someone points something out, their advice may be incorrect based on the build date of the car.

ZFreie

06-23-2013, 01:52 PM

Dave, I made a checklist for you for next years show.

1. Enter legends
2. Score a 4981
3. ??????
4. Profit

:zfreie:

Grovlet

06-23-2013, 01:52 PM

Awesome!!! Congratulations on the win!!

DavidS

06-23-2013, 02:14 PM

Dave, I made a checklist for you for next years show.

1. Enter legends
2. Score a 4981
3. ??????
4. Profit

:zfreie:

Thanks Nick!

I'm not sure what number 3 will end up being, but number 4 will probably end up being less than zero. Most hobbies probably work out that way, and for me it's technically interesting and it keeps me out of trouble. lol.

Awesome!!! Congratulations on the win!!
Thanks Eric!

DavidS

06-23-2013, 02:34 PM

Before the show, loading the car in Mike Labrecque's parking lot:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/2013-Nationals/at-Mikes.jpg
at the show:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/2013-Nationals/at-the-show.jpg
pulled over by the cops:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/2013-Nationals/behind-a-cop.jpg
Meeting the 1974 former owner...Larry. More info on Larry here: http://www.z28.net/owner-4/
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/2013-Nationals/MeetingLarry.jpg
Larry was ready to take the car with him:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/2013-Nationals/Larry-reunited.jpg
Getting judged:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/2013-Nationals/GettingJudged.jpg
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/2013-Nationals/GettingJudged2.jpg

frankzlt1

06-23-2013, 10:42 PM

Car looks awesome Dave , the previous owner must have been surprised. How long did it take for them to judge the car?

DavidS

06-23-2013, 11:50 PM

Car looks awesome Dave , the previous owner must have been surprised. How long did it take for them to judge the car?

Thanks Frank! He loved it and was very emotional when he was talking about the car. He said the main reason for selling it was because the Chevelle had AC and his wife (or girlfriend) was complaining about the heat since they were in Florida.

There were different sets of judges for different areas. I believe there were 7 of them. Two did the engine bay. Two did the body. One did the interior. One was checking underbody and wheels. Another did the safety check. I lost track of the time, but I think it was about an hour.

DavidS

06-24-2013, 01:47 AM

Larry said he took about 500 pictures at the Camaro Nationals.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-wJcwA9ygn6A/UccM0pOdlZI/AAAAAAAAINM/K0cwWTBVkDs/w718-h477-no/DSC_0008.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Lz2GiL1W7ho/UccMnWnUH-I/AAAAAAAAIMY/mnhpc3iQyy0/w718-h477-no/DSC_0014.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-wPwWsuhtwoI/UccMgUMPnFI/AAAAAAAAIMA/tQUE4gQpdt4/w718-h477-no/DSC_0017.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ldYZTb2xBcU/UccMMO_i5MI/AAAAAAAAIK4/rtWXLiXMvoU/w718-h477-no/DSC_0056.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HX-Dg8rDVqU/UccMHiOUl7I/AAAAAAAAIKo/c-1HpSPziCE/w718-h477-no/DSC_0058.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-pkUsHa1iDDs/UccE25QonOI/AAAAAAAAIH8/elOKiEP1fAY/w718-h477-no/DSC_0217.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tu_uoLJZFHc/UccFPaifFvI/AAAAAAAAIJU/GFQujTBQgoE/w718-h477-no/DSC_0229.JPG

DAWG

06-24-2013, 10:35 AM

Congrats on the Win David!

DavidS

06-24-2013, 02:00 PM

Thanks Dawg!

David-
Every heat riser I've seen has had the weight on the outboard side, and that's the way mine was originally. Definitely ask one of the 'experts' when you get there and it's a 15 minute change if you need to change it. Let us know what you find out.

You were correct on the heat riser. I ended up getting a deduction for it. I was taking JohnZ's postings as gospel since he has a survivor car and he was a long time GM engineer during the time these cars were made.

Maybe a mistake was made and his was put on incorrectly at the factory. Survivor cars at the show had it on the same way you said your's was originally.

jeff68

06-24-2013, 04:00 PM

You were correct on the heat riser.

At least it's an easy fix.

If you don't mind sharing, It would be interesting to see the judging sheet.

DavidS

06-24-2013, 08:02 PM

At least it's an easy fix.

If you don't mind sharing, It would be interesting to see the judging sheet.
email sent.

One more pic:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/2013-Nationals/photoZ.jpg

and a pic taken by Kevin at the shop:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1016626_287729364707016_1093329695_n.jpg

ls6monte

06-25-2013, 01:14 AM

Congrats David!

DavidS

06-25-2013, 01:35 AM

Congrats David!

Thanks Ron! I'm going to take a short break from the Z for a few weeks though since I have to get back to the Money Pit. I've got contractors running around everywhere and some stuff is really getting screwed up.

smokinss

06-29-2013, 01:04 PM

Just amazing!!! Great job and congrats!!!

DavidS

06-30-2013, 12:58 AM

Just amazing!!! Great job and congrats!!!

Thanks!!!

The nicest part was having Larry come see the car. He was very emotional about the car....but one thing he kept laughing about was, he said he had a lot more miles driving this car than I have. He's right. I know. I'll try the Legends class next year though and at some point....headers, real tires, real shocks, and driving.

There should be 2 to 4 (out of 8, not including the car-dealer, Dave Brock) of the former owners coming to check it out next year.

I posted this pic already, but didn't explain it....the dude on the left is Larry (bought the Z in 1974), the dude on the right with the extra-wide grin and the Chevy shirt is me...and the chick with the iroc-z tattoo on her neck is on the far right. Larry didn't send any pictures of her tat, but if anyone is really interested, I can ask Larry to send a pic.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tu_uoLJZFHc/UccFPaifFvI/AAAAAAAAIJU/GFQujTBQgoE/w718-h477-no/DSC_0229.JPG

My84Z

06-30-2013, 01:49 AM

I keep looking for a chic on the far right! I can only assume it's the blonde lady and in which case i'd rather see more of your car!!

DavidS

06-30-2013, 01:51 AM

I keep looking for a chic on the far right! I can only assume it's the blonde lady and in which case i'd rather see more of your car!!

Yep....HA HA HA....a little on the wide side, but who am I to judge.

Larry said that if my wife really loved me, she would get a neck tattoo with a green 69 Z, but I really don't see that happening. Ever. Not that I actually want it to happen though.

DavidS

08-12-2013, 04:47 PM

One of the guys in Mike's shop, Kevin, sent me a real nice image he made of the Z:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/pratt1/69Camaro/Z-small.jpg

frankzlt1

08-12-2013, 09:58 PM

thats a really cool looking picture.

ls6monte

08-13-2013, 12:30 AM

Very cool David!

BadBird505

08-29-2013, 12:02 AM

this car came out gorgeous! congrats on such a beautiful car.

DavidS

10-24-2013, 06:35 PM

A couple pics from when the Z was at the Hot Rod Reunion at New England Dragway:
https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1239544_333545910125361_725462646_n.jpg

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1240433_333544943458791_562703262_n.jpg

ls6monte

10-24-2013, 11:35 PM

Sweet!

jeff68

10-25-2013, 12:54 PM

You actually turned on those NOS T-3 headlights??????
I thought they were just for show. Hehehe.

Grovlet

10-25-2013, 09:12 PM

You actually turned on those NOS T-3 headlights??????
I thought they were just for show. Hehehe.

It's a driver now:bird::gayfight:

Now the real question is what did it run?:food-smiley-012::b056fab2:

Edit: Oh yeah and looking good too!!!:smileybreasts:

frankzlt1

10-25-2013, 10:21 PM

lookin good there dave.

jeff68

10-26-2013, 06:03 PM

Now the real question is what did it run?

I'd love to see David's Z make a pass - like a real one - hard launch, Goodyear bias plys holding on for dear life, and the sweet, sweet sound of that 302 shifting at redline......

Well, I can dream, right?

DavidS

10-28-2013, 08:31 PM

I'd love to see David's Z make a pass - like a real one - hard launch, Goodyear bias plys holding on for dear life, and the sweet, sweet sound of that 302 shifting at redline......

Well, I can dream, right?

It would probably be between 13 to 14 seconds. Stock first-gen Z/28's are not good quarter-mile cars. They don't have decent torque off the line.

They were made for road racing, primarily to compete in the Trans-Am Series back in the 60's: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Am_Series

The engine limit was 305 ci (5 liters). Peak HP is at 5300 rpm and they were designed to run at high rpm's.

DavidS

10-28-2013, 08:32 PM

You actually turned on those NOS T-3 headlights??????
I thought they were just for show. Hehehe.

Yep. The headlights are on and are working great.

frankzlt1

10-28-2013, 09:11 PM

Dave weren't the 302 engines 10,000 rpm screammers? I remember seeing a he I head 302 concept engine gm was trying to make for the trans am series cars. That was a wicked high rpm engine if remember.

smokinss

10-28-2013, 09:37 PM

I do believe they were around 8000-8500 rpm motors. There is a guy near me that has a black one fully restored and painted with black laquer. Has the DZ302 with a 4speed. Just a great driving car. He has taken me for a ride after I have detailed it. They are badass!!!

DavidS

10-29-2013, 12:10 PM

Dave weren't the 302 engines 10,000 rpm screammers? I remember seeing a he I head 302 concept engine gm was trying to make for the trans am series cars. That was a wicked high rpm engine if remember.

I'm not sure Frank. On my car, I never went that high. On my stock DZ302 on the engine dyno, it looked like Max HP=356 at 6400 rpm. The graph looks like it could have kept on going though.

Edit: The motor is 30 over, but other than that it's completely stock.

DavidS

11-13-2013, 09:26 PM

I did read about a 1968 Z/28 with a stock DZ302 that makes 456 HP @7700rpm and it ran 10.80 @122.30mph.

See here: http://www.z28camaro.com/oldrel.html

http://images.mecum.com/SC0508/SC0508-66401/images/SC0508-66401_1.jpg?lastmod=051808133800

DavidS

11-19-2013, 09:13 PM

New pic of the Z:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/BR/z28.jpg

Z28

11-19-2013, 09:57 PM

Love it

SLP IROC-Z

11-19-2013, 10:07 PM

wow that car is gorgeous David!

frankzlt1

11-20-2013, 12:04 AM

The green z looks awesome. That's a great article on the red z.

ls6monte

11-20-2013, 01:41 AM

Sweet David!

Formula413

11-20-2013, 01:55 AM

Yup, she's a keeper!

DavidS

12-06-2013, 05:37 PM

About 2 weeks ago....loading it into the trailer:

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/BrunoZ/DSC_8631.jpg

DavidS

12-06-2013, 05:38 PM

new engine pic:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/BrunoZ/DSC_8599.jpg

frankzlt1

12-06-2013, 11:29 PM

simply beautiful.

Formula413

12-07-2013, 12:00 AM

Just awesome.

DAWG

12-07-2013, 08:42 AM

looks better with the naked eye!

Grovlet

12-08-2013, 01:01 AM

looks better with the naked eye!

Yeah I'm claiming PhotoChop!!! I bet you got a 4 cylinder in that thing - "Ricer":klab:

Oh Wait - Now that's a V-8!!:coolpics:

Looking good - Don't know how you keep it that clean!!:foshizzle:

DavidS

12-08-2013, 03:59 AM

Yeah I'm claiming PhotoChop!!! I bet you got a 4 cylinder in that thing - "Ricer":klab:

Oh Wait - Now that's a V-8!!:coolpics:

Looking good - Don't know how you keep it that clean!!:foshizzle:

No photoshop Eric! lol.... On this car, clean is not a problem since it only drives on and off the trailer. For now, she's a trailer-queen. After a few years I'll be cruising around.

LSX-Nation

12-08-2013, 11:46 AM

never seen a green first gen like that myself. Car is gorgeous. Nicely done dave cant wait to see this one at a car show.

ILuvPizzaTimes10

12-08-2013, 02:40 PM

hey ummmmm i dunno if any one told yah but yah got some over spray on the intake...... HAHA :bek068:

DavidS

12-09-2013, 01:59 AM

hey ummmmm i dunno if any one told yah but yah got some over spray on the intake...... HAHA :bek068:

HA HA. Good one Pizza!

I checked out loads of original car pics and all are loaded with overspray since the intake was on before the engine was painted. At the factory, they had a box called a "dog house" that they put over the intake and then painted the engine. Overspray was everywhere.

It's funny that a guy who knows a lot about GTO's stopped by today and when I showed him the car, he leaned over and tried scratching the overspray off with his fingernail since he thought it was not right. :hanged2:

Formula413

12-09-2013, 02:18 AM

As soon as I saw that overspray I knew there was a reason it was there.

ILuvPizzaTimes10

12-09-2013, 03:46 PM

yeah haha i knew it was right. have seen quite a few originals and all had loads of it on bell housing and intake. the ones that dont are not originals..... and try saying they are.

Z28

12-09-2013, 05:20 PM

Classic GM quality. It's still pretty cool seeing how far quality control has come

DavidS

12-10-2013, 02:19 AM

yeah haha i knew it was right. have seen quite a few originals and all had loads of it on bell housing and intake. the ones that dont are not originals..... and try saying they are.

Yep, you got it Mike!

Here are two more engine pics:

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Misc/BR/dz302-r.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Misc/BR/dz302-l.jpg

DavidS

12-11-2013, 04:56 AM

One of my favorite pics.

It was edited to remove the other car that was behind the Z, but no other changes.

This pic has the 1974 owner and Vietnam vet Larry in it.
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/2013-Nationals/Larry-z28.jpg

ls6monte

12-12-2013, 01:00 AM

Damn, throw some dust on that car will you!!! Way too clean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol

DavidS

12-12-2013, 03:49 AM

Damn, throw some dust on that car will you!!! Way too clean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol

HA HA!

Not yet Ron! My daily driver looks like crap, the old truck looks like a nightmare, I put a dent in the good truck, the 68 is not clean, the big block 69 is not too bad, and the Z is spotless. I'd like to keep the Z that way for a little while longer.

The rust bucket nightmare blew out a oil cooler line this morning. I'm probably going to get frostbite from this pos truck, but I'm thinking about plugging up the two oil cooler lines since I only run the truck in the winter and only on my driveway.

DAWG

12-12-2013, 04:01 AM

better get the driveway paved in frt of your garage!!!!
then youll have no muddy tires!

DavidS

12-12-2013, 04:09 AM

better get the driveway paved in frt of your garage!!!!
then youll have no muddy tires!

At some point Dawg. When I recover from everything else I definitely want to put something nice in front of the Camaros.

DavidS

01-19-2014, 04:08 AM

A high school buddy of mine printed out some posters of the Z.

If anyone wants a poster, send me a pm with your address and I'll send one ....no cost.

DavidS

05-02-2014, 11:15 PM

The Z is on the front page of the CRG: http://www.camaros.org/ (http://www.camaros.org/)

Formula413

05-02-2014, 11:47 PM

Freakin sweet!

frankzlt1

05-03-2014, 12:35 AM

Congrats dave thats awesome

ls6monte

05-03-2014, 01:14 AM

Congrats Dave!

DAWG

05-05-2014, 02:16 PM

Nice! now ya gotta drive it?

DavidS

05-05-2014, 03:27 PM

Nice! now ya gotta drive it?

Soon Dawg! Not done being a "points-chasing trailer queen" yet.

DavidS

06-14-2014, 01:09 AM

6 days until the Camaro Nationals.

This year the Z is in the Legends Class which is about as squirrely as you can get for points chasing trailer queens. It's a 5,000 point class and they put in on a lift.

The 1969 former owner is coming from California, the 1974 former owner is coming from South Carolina and the 1976 former owner is coming from Florida. It should be real interesting.

Everything is pretty much set on the car except for one spot where there is a gap between the lower windshield trim (near the driver's side) and the outer cowl panel. The clip probably came loose when it was being buffed out.

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/outer-cowl2.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/outer-cowl1.jpg

after that....I'm not sure what else might be incorrect or how the car will do, but hopefully it will do OK.

Grovlet

06-14-2014, 02:29 AM

ZFreie

06-14-2014, 01:51 PM

LOL, a loose cowl clip is all the judges are gonna be able to find! Your cars are flawless david!

DavidS

06-15-2014, 12:56 AM

Looking Good!
Good Luck!!:hititbag:

Thanks!!!

LOL, a loose cowl clip is all the judges are gonna be able to find! Your cars are flawless david!

It would be nice, but doubtful. The judges in the legends class are extremely knowledgeable on 1st gen and 2nd Camaros. It's little details like the wrong headmarkings on certain bolts, the wrong finish on a certain parts, reproduction parts, etc... that make you lose points.

It's not unusual for a 1st year legends car to score around 85%. If I hit 90% I'll be happy, and if I hit 95% I'll be ecstatic.

The clip will be fixed on Monday. lol.

DavidS

06-23-2014, 03:40 AM

The trip to Maryland didn't go smoothly and my trailer brakes need some major work.

Anyway, the car scored 94.6% and I'm happy with the score. I didn't get the detailed info yet on the deductions but I should have them in about a week or so.

I'm not 100% sure why, but it was nerve-wracking for me to watch the car being judged this year.

The 1969 former owner came from California.
The 1974 former owner came from South Carolina.
The 1976 former owner came from Florida.

They were awesome guys to hang out with and all of them want the car back.

I'll post up some pics soon.

frankzlt1

06-23-2014, 09:22 AM

Congrats on the car, sorry to hear about the trailer. What happened happened to you're trailer.

ZFreie

06-23-2014, 11:47 AM

DavidS

06-23-2014, 01:29 PM

Congrats on the car, sorry to hear about the trailer. What happened happened to you're trailer.

Thanks Frank!!!

I'm not sure if it's wiring or the brakes themselves. It was working when we left but not long after the truck brakes were taking the entire load while braking. At one point I was braking while coming around a corner and it felt like the back end of the truck lifted off the ground.